The box uses a window like Barnes TAC-XP rounds do, but, unlike Barnes’s box, the G2 Research R.I.P. round is bigger in diameter – it’s about .36”, versus the .22 of the 22LR. Find a dealer. Even with the test results, I still plan to use these for my preferred defense rounds when I plan to be around hostile chickens, pumpkins, and watermelons. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Definitely not after this test. Good article, but… Republicans only believe what their soviet over-lords tell them to believe. I fired five rounds in this initial test and one of them refused to feed from the magazine. Rob Boudrie. The BS comment of it being questionable to use deadly force to defend ones self is obviously gratified by slighted liberalistic data and is varyingly ambiguous at best. For the price you can buy 2.5 boxes of Zombie Max, that you can show off at the range, and still zap a zombie meth head carjacker without choking your Glock. it was a reload that failed. Ammo generously provided by Texas’ own Ammo To Go (ammunitiontogo.com). It’s actually dried-out ground-up flesh, rehydrated into a gelatin block. No, you test because then you can prove exactly what kinda bullshit it is, and how deep they shoveled it. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. In that case, the solution might be more and faster. After decades and decades of bullet testing and refinement, the #1 one thing that all serious manufacturers agree on when speaking of hunting or self defense ammo is weight retention. Look at the be-yoo-ti-ful pattern the point of impact makes. You only need one of these rounds… put it in the top of your spare mag and show it to a would-be attacker, he’ll be really scared and run away. The last round did not advance before the slide locked so the pistol functioned properly as if the mag was empty. Jamming a G19 is a deal-breaker for me as well, but the comparison to .22 seems unnecessarily pejorative. Any loss of weight adversely affects performance and that is why the Lehigh rounds work so well, they stay together and turn into a ,75 inch projectile. This all came about because LE agencies and LE officers ignored Glocks clearly written warnings not to use lead bullets and reloads. 147 grain HST has very impressive expansion and solid performance otherwise (penetration, feeding etc). Like that nasty piece of business for the Judge that was tested recently. Otherwise, you could be charged with manslaughter, murder, etc. However, the R.I.P. The number one rule of self defense, if you attack me or my family, I WILL kill you. You’re basically relying on the tissue damage to convince your attacker to stop and that’s not the best plan. Oh, and it needs to be calibrated prior to shooting it by firing a steel BB into it at 590 fps. They use guns BECAUSE they are likely to kill an offender, or if it better suits your delicate constitution, “guns do enough soft tissue damage to an attacker that the blood loss generally renders them incapable of continuing an attack”. Second, because G2 Research has put their claims of gelatin penetration right on their box. It looks like a shuriken or a spider. Even before this review, I wouldn’t have used the R.I.P. Would I trust these rounds to preform as hyped? do you guys think that 1 failure out of 600ish rounds through a xd is enough to be concerned over? Now THAT was a RIP(ping) round! $39.99 Add to Cart Inceptor 45 Auto 118 gr ARX Case of 200 Bulk Ammo. While I won’t stoke this ammo up in any of my edc’s, I will be buying a box or two for the collection. That’s a good chunk of change, even with regular priced ammo. projectile. Good comment. Sure enough, the author had one fail to feed in his Glock. What state are you in that you can bring a firearm to a bar? its completely cnc machined. Sure bullet performance is a significant part of the equation, but that mostly comes down to under or over-penetration. Third, it’s expen$ive. “The last round did not advance before the slide locked so the pistol functioned properly as if the mag was empty”. Even if it were reliable ammo I can’t know that unless I test a good chunk of it in my specific carry gun… and at 2.50$ a round it’s just not reasonable when I’ve got proven rounds that go for less than half of that. Fourth, you have to wonder if it will it feed. Tomy Ironmane, I have around 6K rds thru a 2nd gen G23 with the original unsupported barrel with no problems and no appreciable wear. The GLOCK 19 is almost the definition of a conventional-sized pistol. property) is threatened. I don’t know glocks that well, but aren’t those things feed ramped to the point that the unsupported case web makes people nervous? But that’s a two-edged sword, because if bigger is better, then why would you want to use the G2 R.I.P.’s tiny little 48-grain .36” projectile, when you could use a Federal HST instead and get a much-larger, 124-grain, .52” projectile? skin,bones,muscle,and fat is not the same as gel. They all advertise the same features: weight retention, penetration, expansion. (Somthing my grandpa used to say about farm equipment and used it were applicable). Shooting the Bull! But I'm not sure there is any "proof" that this ammunition is "crap", although the price seems outrageous for what your getting. The reason I bring it up is that the design of this bullet screams “vulnerable to clogging.” It’s penetration was so weak that the denim’s resistance, if not its clogging effect, should diminish the penetration even more. Your methodology is entirely wrong here. round. The last round you'll ever need G2 Research R.I.P. NES Member. Especially if it was determined that the first bullet would have stopped them. I’d rather carry cowboy loads than this crap. Willful ignorance. The Critical Defense is alright but if given a choice I would always take the HST, PDX1, Ranger T series, Gold Dot and a few others to it any day. They’ll refer to it derisively as “doing Jell-O shots” or some other pejorative term. I had WWB and Federal FMJs choke a Glock 36 last weekend…. Personally feel the company is irresponsible at many levels for producing this round, and for their presentation of it. G2 Research’s RIP Ammo – Ballistic Testing, Phase One, Gear Review: Off the Grid Concepts MKI Holster, Improve Your Shooting: 50-Round Skill Sustainment Course of Fire. The abdominal cavity is the same way, very little tissue between the skin and organs. Seeing the promo vid I was thinking “needler”. Sometimes guns have issues feeding hollowpoint rounds, and I personally have heard reports of the polymer tip in Hornadys causing problems. I usually recommend that new guns feed 500 rounds of FMJ and at least 100 rounds of carry ammo 100% reliably before depending your life on the gun/ammo combo. The problem was with the magazine. I’m glad I didn’t waste any money on this ammo. Yep. Ranger-T does this by having the unusually thick lips of the copper jacket readily peel open and take the pre-incised core with it. Sounds like someone with a marketing degree is hawking bullets. As for now, I’ll stick with my “Zombie” rounds! Am I reading the test correctly – a comparison was made between a single round of 9x19mm vs. multiple (2+) rounds of .22LR? The whole “critical defense” product line came about because the XTP projectile design woefully underperformed its competitors. Reposted today I see, cause I noticed the comments at the top start from Feb 1st. I don’t know where this myth came from that people seem to have that you’re going to be scrutinized and the results of the courtroom will vary depending on what type of ammo you choose to load into your weapon. This was not a feed issue. Now someone smack you and continues and attack with punches, garbage cans and whatever they can find to inflict great bodily harm and even death seems imminent then using deadly force is justifiable. The refined young lady was likely better off sticking an attacker with her hat pin. I do bethink these guys are probably some smart guys that love to shoot and actually came up with a facinatingly new bullet. I fired a round into gel and it expanded as designed. I knew TTAG would give an honest review. You analysis using the total surface area is not accurate. Look at the gel block results I got, and compare them to RatedRR’s tests… they look identical. Dont believe me, look up cases that deal with bar fights. Wouldn’t you rather see some realistic claims, and some accurate testing? Interestingly enough, back in the 80s Glaser rounds had about the same sort of “so deadly a target will fall dead from a mere scratch” over-the-top marketing buzz that the RIP did. No one’s done this before because mathematically it’s a bad idea to begin with. The feigned neutrality you put on is contrived and phony. CCI . If put in a situation where you have to shoot someone to defend your life or your family’s life you are not going g to be asked did you mean to kill the person. Completely biased from the first paragraph. It expanded much less than they did and had less-reliable expansion because not enough hydraulic pressure got into the small-mouth of the XTP when it was “plugged” by fabric or the mouth was dented. Depending on your lawyers, the prosecutor, and whether it’s a criminal or civil suit, it may or may not matter. “we managed to create similar messes with .22LR” was about the kiss of death on this stuff. I wonder if Hornady gave you any freebies for that plug? So I wanted to see what the HST did, so I cut open the coyote to see his inards. Part II has penetration through 4 layers of denim, through plywood, and through 12 layers of denim. EDIT: Math. No. ... Rip Out, 300 Blackout, 110 Grain, Lead Free Copper, Supersonic And once again TTAG and STB410 have missed the point completely. Their marketing video has gone viral, with well over 1.5 million views as of the time of this writing. It also appears they could potentially bring certain ‘litigious vulnerabilities’ and are 5x the cost of a regular good defensive round, with none of these limitations/concerns. There were tungsten-cored Dangerous Game loads a while back but got taken off the market in part because of that. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. I believe that if someone breaks into your house at zero dark thirty, they mean you and your family bodily harm and it is an inalienable right to self defense. It’s not a full-sized duty pistol, but it’s a very common concealed-carry weapon with a 4.02” barrel. trocars do. Such a waste of webspace. My Glock 19 is 100 percent with a large variety of ammo through it, an ammo with known feed issues in a 19 is something I would absolutely avoid. The results are still being compiled on the rest of the tests, but we can reveal the results from the first phase of testing. “Where’s the denim?” Did I miss something in the text? As a former officer, I can assure you the only thing that really matters when it comes to self defense is being able to articulate that you were in real fear for your life or the life of another when defending your actions. I’ll also, stick with what I was taught. otherwise what training do you have that qualifies you with threat assessment. The FBI minimum penetration test includes layers of denim over the gel. Pretty sure RIP ammo would look dumb in court. Aguila Ammunition, Pistol, 357 Mag, 158 Grain, Semi Jacketed Soft Point Product Specifications ... CLASSIC PISTOL CENTERFIRE AMMUNITION 45 AUTO 185 GR. Unfortunately for us, the Aguila SSS round yawed halfway through the block, which made its damage path much bigger than the G2 R.I.P.’s, so it doesn’t look quite identical. Ballistic gelatin is the most accurate human soft tissue simulant available, and it’s what professional bullet testers use to evaluate the penetration and damage potential of ammunition. The lungs have about1/4 the density of other body tissue. the round and then retest it. Third, the bottom line is that it takes energy to damage tissue and a round has only as much potential for tissue damage as it has energy. Thanks for the review. That’s what happens when you cast a hollow point with a too hard too brittle alloy. But as with all hyped products someone else will soon pick up the idea and develop a similar product to compete. Use our Dealer locator to find the nearest G2 Research Dealer. Its like this so that people dont get away with murder. From just what you’ve shown so far, it’s clear that an XTP .380 round is going to be a better terminal-performer than the 9mm RIP. Your shot to wound theory hurts the victim in the long run and opens any defense up to broader scope of vulnerabilities. They should stay attached to the bullet. At the range and after I’d performed sub 2 second 100% hit mag dumps into silhouette targets at 7 yards he recanted. The laws of physics can be bent. What concerns me is how likely it is to have a catastrophic failure. While this is a good article, I always enjoy ShootingTheBull410 cause of dat science, I had a big WTF thinking that this was a new different article. Let’s consider our first impressions, though. . I shoot the 1911 better than any other handgun bar none and at defensive ranges (or in a calm state with deliberate fire to 50 yards) I have absolutely no doubt in my ability to rapidly empty it to slide lock with all rounds impacting the torso. I believe the trocars would create a horrific flesh wound. The shallow-penetrating fragmenting idea has been tried over and over. * Inventory changes daily & prices subject to change. Thanks again to ShootingTheBull410 for his testing that removes the hype and presents the facts clearly, without bias or waffling. Much appreciated! Not even a rifle; it took a few shots from the most woefully inadequate defensive weapon on the market to recreate the damage profile of the new G2 R.I.P. As for penetration, on the back of the box they claim 15” to 17”. “Just consider making your decisions based on knowledge and results, rather than on over-the-top claims and marketing hype.”. Got a box on the way. One morning I was sitting in my cedar tree ground blind when I had five coyotes come up the draw towards me. This is a bullet design failure or an improperly-loaded round (bullet not seated deep enough). 840 Round Case of 7.62x39 123 Grain FMJ Prvi Partizan Ammo For SaleSKU # PP76239BNon-corrosive boxer primer, brass case, non-magnetic projectile2019 … I figured that if I could make a block of gel have the same type of damage, at the same penetration levels with a comparable initial damage cavity, then we’d probably be a lot closer to understanding the true destructive power of this new wonder-round. So this guy is an armchair lawyer who wants to get his opinion out there before even trying the product. 100 G2 RIPs at $2.50 per round comes out to $250. And I still do, in some iteration. This. But the decision’s yours – decide and use whatever you’re comfortable with. Lehigh Defense does make a 9mm version. it was a wired failure. I didn’t expect it to preform as claimed (what products ever do?). (This concept also applies to a bullet/jacket separation, hence bonding). Your flechettes have fins? The above Federal and Winchester designs were developed with lessons learned from the Gold Dot. A round that penetrates 14" in ballistics gel will easily penetrate the fascia of the abdominal wall. It’s much faster and in a situation where the perp is rushing you from 10 to 15 feet away, you’re not going to have time before he’s up close and personal to fire more than 4 or 5 shots anyway. For me to put it in context, the best way to go would be to use conventional ammunition to simulate the damage that was done by the G2 R.I.P. Oh, you will go to jail, and the family might try to sue, but dead men don’t talk. That’s not a choice I’m comfortable making, and I think most, if not all ballistics experts would agree with me. Similar concept to pumping a 12-gauge or putting a bayonet on your HD rifle. Just looking at the box, it really does look like no other ammunition you’ve seen. Most vital organs are at a relative shallow depth. More Fun Trivia: Colibri means ‘hummingbird’, which seems appropriate. As soon as you design some sort of ‘exploding’ projectile, those things go right out the window. So it is not that you are completely wrong when you talk about possible consequences, but your shoot to wound theory you got running there is dead wrong. Two of my progeny are excellent attorneys, as are many of my close friends, including a plethora of district attorneys, Superior Court, Court of Appeals and State Supreme Court judges. I am not defending the G2 ammo but I don’t believe it had anything to do with the mag failure. It just reaffirmed my staying with the Elite T6B rounds for carry. Except for varmint rounds, because you want a bullet that expends all of its energy immediately since the varmint is so small. I was “oh goodie! It stagnates a “defense motive” by showing that an alleged victim had time to think about what they were doing and make a moral decision rather than rely on training which clearly is devised to terminate a threat rather than wound it. Sig Sauer. Crock, what type of failure? Now, if you want to shoot somebody while inside a spaceship, I can see why you’d want a frangible round. The FBI uses organic professional ballistic gel which is made from powdered pork skin. Don’t worry. With a pistol bullet you want to *keep* your mass, not shed it. Or, it’s possible that the round was not pushed back in the magazine far enough and if it was against the front it could have contacted the slide lock. © COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. You’ve established yourself as a reliable source and I appreciate it. 7 Glaser safety slugs stacked on top of Ranger Talons, I just had an interesting read on Glaser safety slugs, thanks . .45 Features: The G2 Research R.I.P. That and it’s not very, well, elegant. They need to understand that a more lethal round requires fewer shots to stop a threat therefore it is safer for bystanders. Your video reviews have become the deciding factor with my self defense ammo purchases, based on this one, I’ll be sticking to federal premium HST in 9mm. Actually I think it has more to do with not wanting to accidentally penetrate one of the control mechanisms of the aircraft, or say an engine, rather than just putting a hole in the skin of the craft. So what kind of devastating, ultra-powerful ammo did it take to make this comparable damage? If one really can’t understand that 9 wounds have a great chance of hitting a vital organ than a single path, then you have no business testing ammunition. Lets see if the company tweaks Enjoy our FREE RETURNS. a bit of a mixed bag. But if you have half a brain, and I think you might, you knew that would give that biased result that test. circumstances were it had only been dirtied up by 50 res (9mm). Second, it’s a scary looking round. You think it’s just an accident that the attacker died? I choose to suspend judgement on this until I see more testing. as far as it being revolutionary it is. I believe my life was in danger, so I acted in self defense. Of course, I could point out that there’s no definition of such a thing as “FBI ballistics gel,” and that the picture looks like it’s probably from a block of Clear Ballistics gel, Perma-Gel or some other synthetic clear gel. It always enters with a big splash, and it always goes away quickly. And now we’ve conducted the world’s first independent review of the ammo’s actual performance. I could say a lot about this – such as that it’s irresponsible, or even offensive to the very essence of self defense (which is about stopping an attack, not about killing the attacker). Also you completely disreguard the the damage the trocars inflict. You better send it back to Glock, if they determine everything is in spec (including the magazines) you are limp wristing it. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Reasonable+Force. I hope they learn from it and refine the bullet. It is why there is such a thing as an immediate action drill. Now, to be fair to G2, even though the .22LR did penetrate deeper, the R.I.P. G2 Research lawyers will be meeting on monday to talk about this. is junk. It’s got a shallow damage cavity, a bunch of “trocars” peeling off and creating multiple wound paths, and a deep-penetrating base. Deadly force means deadly force. Gel????? G2 claimed a 6” spread for the trocars, but in my test the spread was 4.5” wide x 3.5” tall, so – it missed that one by a mile. Perhaps G2 is onto something that further refinement will revolutionize things. I appreciate the information once you started actually started talking about just the facts pertaining to the performance of the RIP ammunition. i can’t describe it. only one person testing it so far. From what I’ve seen in big game bullets on big game, when a bullet sheds mass early in the wound channel, penetration is compromised, and the wound track after the mass shedding is reduced in permanent size. Get what you want, shoot what you want, but until you use it on live animals in a hunting situation, you don’t know a damn thing. Some folks may hate Glocks, but the Glock 19 has a well-deserved reputation for reliability. True, true. I wouldn’t carry them but they are cool looking. A wounded attacker can still pose a danger to your family. The take away: Capacity matters, shot placement matters, rapidity of follow up shots matters (incorporating reliability) and terminal ballistics matter. So lets not bash them for trying something new, just for their snake oil salesman approach. All in all I think the fragmentation and energy dump will stop someone, But I would double tap just to make sure now. You’ve saved me some money. And boy did that round peel and mushroom and so what it was supposed to. HSTs manage it by complicated pre-incision, jacket bonding, and formation of the core. And I would take a piece of masking tape(Keep some in your range gear) and mark the mag that round got wonky from. But at today’s prices, wouldn’t it be cheaper to practice with 100 rounds of this stuff than the 7×100 equivalent rounds of .22LR? The .25 ACP is a bear-stopper by comparison. People use guns EXACTLY because they kill the attacker.

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